Wikipedia entry for CSYs

[Peter Roach]

Another great information sharing tool is what is termed as a Wiki. This is an Encyclopedia type entry that can be edited by all users. This allows everyone to enter information they may have into one place. I have started a Wikipedia entry for CSYs. You can view it / edit it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Sailing_Yachts. If you have any data on CSYs that you think would be approprate for a Encyclopidic type entry please enter it. Also, I have worked with Ron Sheridan to fact check the information; however, I am sure there is a lot of mistakes or mistatements. If you have better information please enter it.

Finally we are missing a lot of items on some boat types (sorry - I had a lot of info on the CSY 44 WO but not much on some of the other models) if you have / can put your hands on information on these boats please enter it on Wikipedia. Remember to site you source.

I believe that you need to sign up to Wikipedia in order to edit the info. If you have problems with the site you can leave the info here or send me a personal message with the information and I will try to enter it.

     Peter

[Dave McCampbell]

Peter,

I can't believe it!  Sherry says you should get another gold star for starting the Wikipedia.  And maybe Ron too.
You may need a bigger boat to hold them all.  Many thanks for your efforts.

We like what you have set up and now it makes sense to me.  This will fill the void we currently have on the CSY Owners' website for company history and basic info on the different CSY models.  Sherry is putting an article about the Wiki on the home page and has made this thread 'sticky' so it stays at the top of the General Discussion for a while.

I went to the 44 Walk Through section and tried my hand at editing and adding info.  Hopefully it is done properly.
But I have two questions for whoever placed the original info:

1  I know Tackless II is hull number 42 and the last WT, however the number of boats is listed as "about 41".  Should we change that to 42 or did CSY skip one number?

2  The weight of the shallow draft model seems wrong to me at 36K lbs, compared to the deep draft at 38K lbs.  All my original brochures for both the WT and WO models say 37K lbs for all models. 

Also, look at the copy of Ed's CSY manual that Sherry posted in the Shoal vs Deep Draft thread under the Hull and Rig category.  The way I read that is the factory ballasted all the 44s, deep and shoal, with 13K# of lead and concrete.  While constructing the shoal draft model, in order to offset the lost weight (about 3200#) of the deep keel, and in order to get the required stiffness, they added more lead.   It doesn't say how much, but my guess would be around 3200# in order to get back to 13K#.  Technically they should have added more because the lost deep draft weight is further down/away from the center of gravity of the boat.   

It also says that when cutting a deep keel down to a shoal draft, in order to get optimum sailing performance, some lead would need to be added over the original ballast. 

Anyone have any additional original source data to add to this so we can determine the original weight of these boats?  BTW our boat weight now is over 40K lbs.
 
Once we sort this out here we can move this part of this thread to the Hull and Rig forum.

Dave
 

[Peter Roach]

Yea - I get another gold star.   


Don't be shy about editing. If you look at the history tab you can see what has been done. You can also flag the page for any edits. That way you will see edits in your message box. Let's all keep each other honest.

Also, my boat has been suffering from the creeping waterline syndrome as of late. I am sure I am pushing 40K in weight now.

[Warren Daniels]

Dave,
I regards to the amount of WT's, my boat is numbered differently than most.  I have 13 numbers in my serial number.  I am hull 03, so if they did that for a couple, 3/4 boats that might make up the difference.
Warren

[Lloyd Lofland]

On my lists of all CSYs by Hull#  I don't have any with Hull #13.

Lloyd Lofland
Sybarite CSY33 Hull #52

[Sherry McCampbell]

I created a new topic for the continuing discussion on hull numbers, if you're looking for it, it is here.

http://www.csyowners.com/forums/index.php?topic=83.0

But leaving this one for discussing anything specific to the Wiki.

[Daq Hanssen]

There is still an error on the CSY 33 writeup in Wikipedia:

The 33 had an optional pilot house and inside steering.

There was never an optional pilot house and inside steering.
This an error from a Yahct Brokers Guide to Sailboats.

Also the water tank is listed as 130 gallon, another small error.
The CSY 33 had two water tank configurations:

Either a 157 gallon tank under the cabin sole in the main cabin, or a smaller 115 gallon tank. It is possible that the tank configuration depended on the location of the engine or whether the boat was deep draft or shallow, not sure.
Now that we have quite a few CSY 33 guys on this forum, we should be able to sort out which boat has which engine and consequently tank/keel configuration.

[Dave McCampbell]

Dag,

Since you are the 33 resident expert, go ahead and make the changes you see fit.  Then we can blame any 33 problems on you!

Seriously, you should try to get the info on the 33s as complete and accurate as possible.  That way those looking for a 33 won't have to keep asking you questions.

Dave

[Peter Roach]

That is the nice thing about Wikipedia - everyone can edit the text and we all can comment on the edits. Hopefully this will get better over time.

[Daq Hanssen]

No idea how to make changes to Wikipedia...

[Peter Roach]

Dag,

Wikipedia has a page on how to edit Wikipedia pages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_edit

Editing the text is not very difficult; however, putting in new pictures (e.g., the elusive line drawing of the CSY 33) can be a little more difficult. If you would like me to put in a diagram for you please send me a private message and we can arrange for you to get me the diagram / drawing.

You can also preview your changes before you publish them. I highly recommend you do this to see how everything looks before you make your comments public. Wikipedia has a great revision history so we can roll back changes if we need. Please use a descriptive title of the type of changes you are making.

If you want someone to walk you through the process send me a private message me with your phone number and a suggested time and I will walk you through editing the page.

*Note - you will need to establish a free Wikipedia account to make sure you computer address is not made public.

[Daq Hanssen]

Well, not much editing needed, just removal of this sentence:

The 33 had an optional pilot house and inside steering.[citation needed]

I do in fact have a Line drawing of the CSY 33 similar to the CSY 44 on the Wikipedia page.

I hate to remove it from the glass and frame once again to try to scan it, but I believe I e-mailed it to Stephen a while ago..He is better with computers, perhaps he can past it on to the Wiki page...?

Also, saw the same drawing and article on ebay recently:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1979-CSY-33-Auxiliary-Cutter-Review_W0QQitemZ110434888647QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b66eabc7

I don't really want to set up a Wiki account just to remove that sentence about inside steering station being an option, so if some of you guys who are already connected could do it for me, that would be good...

[Peter Roach]

I will get to it. The update may take me a few days. I am sanding my main cabin in prep fo varnish. Everything is a mess11

[David Boyd]

At one time CSY did a design on a pilot house 33 with drawings.  It appeared in the second book of How to Buy a Yacht by Van Ost.  I do not believe any were ever built.