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CSY44 - Sailing vs Motor/Sailing vs Motoring
« on: August 10, 2020, 12:35:19 am »
Hey Everyone,

I am in talks to purchase a CSY44 WT and would like to know how much motoring vs motor/sailing vs sailing everyone is doing in these boats and in what conditions. I’m particularly interested in hearing from anyone who has done a Pacific crossing and/or island hopping in the Pacific.

And for passage planning, how many miles/day do you plan for and under what conditions/in what locales? 

Also hi and thanks for letting me post here. I’m Kevin and my wife and brother and I are shopping for a boat to take us from Florida to the South Pacific. We’ve been following this forum for a while and there’s so much great info here, so thank you!

We were initially looking at boats that were a bit lighter, but have fallen in love with the comfort and style of the CSY. A few CSY owners we’ve talked to locally (gulf coast of Florida) have said that they are using the iron genny up to 80% of the time. We are less interested in the motor/sail lifestyle so want to hear your experiences with the CSY to determine if the 44 is going to allow us to sail most of the time or if we need to adjust our expectations with regard to motor/sailing. Look forward to your replies. Thanks!

Kevin (& Tara & Mitch)

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Re: CSY44 - Sailing vs Motor/Sailing vs Motoring
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2020, 08:50:55 am »
Hi Kevin,
These boats sail quite well.  I only use the motor to get in and out of the slip and thru the bridges.  Several have sailed across the Pacific, and then some! These boats are located all over the world.
On long passages, you must sail mainly since 100 gallons of diesel will only get you so far.  The best advice is to carefully pick your weather and never set sail according to someone else's schedule.
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Re: CSY44 - Sailing vs Motor/Sailing vs Motoring
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2020, 11:38:37 am »
Hey Matthew, thanks for the feedback! That's good to hear. You're in the Miami area, right?

You make a good point about adhering to a schedule/picking weather windows. I know that time pressure is at the root of most of the motor/sailing I do now as a weekend coastal cruiser. But hopefully that pressure goes away to a large extent once I'm not trying to get back in time for the work week. Or, that's the idea anyway! :)

Would love to hear from others as well. And any info on miles/day on passage planning, and what conditions the boat favors.

Thanks!

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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2020, 12:21:51 pm »
Hi Kevin,
Yes we are in Miami Beach.  We can easily do daylight runs down to the Keys or over to Bimini with ample time to clear customs, etc.  Key West to Marina Hemingway is an overnighter.
The boat is not a racer, not sailing as close to the wind as a racer, but it has a good turn of speed when dialed in and with a clean bottom.
When you get to cruising you will have more time to make good decisions about when to sail and weather choices, as long as you don't have to sail to some distant island now to meet a guest at an airport, you'll do just fine and the boat will take care of you.

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Re: CSY44 - Sailing vs Motor/Sailing vs Motoring
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2020, 06:53:33 pm »
Kevin,

Re motoring vs sailing or motorsailing.  The answer on that one depends hugely on the captain of the boat and the weather windows you pick.  My husband Dave would truthfully rather pick a weather window that had very light wind, and motor or motorsail.  If the speed dropped below about 3.5 knots, vrooooom, here we go with the engine.  We have friends who would sit for a day ghosting along at 1 knot waiting for more wind.  So, the patience, and the sailing skills, of the captain make a huge difference.  Dave put in an additional fuel tank (custom made, behind the back of the settee) to add range, plus we carried fuel jugs on deck.  He was always making sure we had fuel to motor 1,000 miles if we had to.

Another factor is where you are sailing.  If you are sailing in the tradewinds, with pretty consistent winds, it's a lot easier to sail than in the equatorial belt we've been in for the last 6 years.

Our average speed, over a long period time doing our Pacific (mostly) downwind passages was 5.7 knots.  Dave is really conservative, and with a tall rig and a roachy main (set up for light air Keys/Bahamas conditions), if the wind was 15 knots or more, we'd start out with a reef in the main.  If we had any heel at all Dave would start talking about reefing.  And at night, we'd always drop in another reef.  We're retired, not in a hurry, and want our comfort more than speed.

Both us and Tackless II blogged our Pacific crossings, so if you haven't found those websites, here they are:

http://svsoggypaws.blogspot.com
http://thetwocaptains.com

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http://svsoggypaws.com/CSY/

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Re: CSY44 - Sailing vs Motor/Sailing vs Motoring
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2020, 08:29:26 pm »
Also, you might be interested in this chart.  I keep really close stats on the amount of time we spend pure sailing vs motoring, etc.  I haven't updated it on the website for last year, but all our CSY years are here (2007 to 2014).

http://svsoggypaws.com/mileagesummary.htm

There's a shocking number of "nights in a marina" for a long range cruising boat.  We have left the boat somewhere for an average of 2 months every year, flying back to the USA.  Plus we've spent a good amount of time doing "inland travel" in South America, Hawaii, New Zealand, etc.

On our big crossing years (South America to Fr Poly to Hawaii to Fr Poly to Fiji in 2010 and 2011, we did the most sailing, and the ratio of "pure sailing" (no motor on) to motoring (with or without sails) is very high.

I have a month to month view of this that makes that more evident, in a spreadsheet, but I've never published that.

Sherry
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