Author Topic: CSY 44 WO New Mast Needed  (Read 6157 times)

mbramanti

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 3
    • View Profile
  • Boat Type: CSY 44 WO
  • Boat Name: Marie Galante
CSY 44 WO New Mast Needed
« on: January 05, 2015, 10:20:15 pm »
Hi Guys, 18 months ago I bought Marie Galante, a 1978-79 44 WO in good shape, but with a big need of love, I've being working on her almost  every weekend since I bought her, I leave in Venezuela, and im only 70 miles away from a caribbean paradise called Los Roques, since I bought her,  we have traveled to Los Rouqes 5 times, I was planning, to change rigging and chain plates this year after my december vacations, but on december 26, when I was at only 8 miles away from my destination, I broke a Chain plate And a Ilost the mast,  now I need to buy a new one, I just wrote UsSpars to send me a quotation, but im guessing that they will need the dimensions of the mast. The only thing Im sure is that te boat is a short mast model, with long keel . I Also want to make the external chain plates, so if any of you have any information about the original measures of the mast, or if by any chance know wich other mast provider I can contact, I'll be very pleased

Regards

Marco
« Last Edit: January 06, 2015, 07:20:07 am by Soggy Geek »

Soggy Geek

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 552
    • View Profile
    • Cruise Around the World with Soggy Paws
  • Boat Type: CSY 44 WT
  • Boat Name: Soggy Paws
Re: CSY 44 WO New Mast Needed
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2015, 07:19:06 am »
Marco,

So sorry to hear that you were dismasted!  Unfortunately, that should be a strong reminder to everyone who hasn't made sure their boat has been completely re-rigged at some point in its life.

Re-rigging is a pain in the ass and does cost some money, but is not nearly so painful has having to completely replace the rigging AND the mast (and the sails).  Not to mention the risk to your life and your whole boat if you are dismasted at the wrong place and time.

I believe the original masts came from Selden (I will confirm with Dave).  Selden is a Swedish company, but in 1995 they built a factory in Charleston, S.C.  They are still in operation today.

Here are some links that might be helpful.

http://www.seldenmast.com/en/company_information/the_selden_group/selden_mast_inc.html

A few rigging companies in Florida that might be helpful:

Nance and Underwood from Ft. Lauderdale:

http://www.riggingandsails.com/sailboat-rigging-sails.shtml

Island Nautical (formerly JSI) in St. Pete

http://newjsi.com/spars.aspx

I hope this helps.  When Dave comes back I will get him to confirm Selden is where the mast originally came from.  If anyone else knows or has experience with replacing a mast on a CSY, please chime in.

Sherry
« Last Edit: January 06, 2015, 07:21:15 am by Soggy Geek »
Soggy Paws the CSY has been sold but not forgotten!
http://svsoggypaws.com/CSY/

mbramanti

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 3
    • View Profile
  • Boat Type: CSY 44 WO
  • Boat Name: Marie Galante
Re: CSY 44 WO New Mast Needed
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2015, 08:11:07 am »
Thanks Sherry, with that information, I can start some research, how ever I have an original brochure of the boat,  and of what I undestand it says that the original mast an rig was made by a company nave Loos, in Conecticut, they still producing Riging but no t the mast.

Thanks Again for the information, I'll keep you informed

Regards

Marco

Soggy Geek

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 552
    • View Profile
    • Cruise Around the World with Soggy Paws
  • Boat Type: CSY 44 WT
  • Boat Name: Soggy Paws
Re: CSY 44 WO New Mast Needed
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2015, 08:33:11 am »
Also, when I googled "CSY Mast Section" this came up:

http://www.rigrite.com/Spars/Kenyon_Spars/6092-cruising.html

I am working on pulling the spar drawings out of the Dropbox for you, or have you gotten Dropbox access already?  (Peter, who manages the Dropbox is in the Bahamas right now, and hasn't answered my email).

Sherry
Soggy Paws the CSY has been sold but not forgotten!
http://svsoggypaws.com/CSY/

Soggy Geek

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 552
    • View Profile
    • Cruise Around the World with Soggy Paws
  • Boat Type: CSY 44 WT
  • Boat Name: Soggy Paws
Re: CSY 44 WO New Mast Needed
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2015, 08:54:52 am »
I went back and poked through the old CSY List and found this information, originally posted by Steve Silverman (RIP):

Quote
There is only one source for original Kenyon spars and parts. Kenyon made
the majority of spars for CSY. That is Rig Rite they purchased the entire
Kenyon inventory as well as all of their engineering drawings. They have
spar sections, spreaders and all other hardware. Is your masthead truck
salvageable? They are on the web and their URL is http://www.rigrite.com/.
The chief engineer from Kenyon now works at JSI Sailing source in St.
Petersburg Florida, his name is Jack Corey their number is 800-234-3220.
They also have some of the same Kenyon spar sections and make custom spars.
The spar section was a Kenyon Cruising section No. 6092 the boom section was
a Kenyon section No. 5072 The spreaders I think are either a Kenyon SP-4 or
SP-5. Good luck. Steve

This should help!  Plus I do have drawings with specs that I will get to you (except still haven't seen the name/specs of the mast, but above will probably do it) .

Sherry
Soggy Paws the CSY has been sold but not forgotten!
http://svsoggypaws.com/CSY/

Soggy Geek

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 552
    • View Profile
    • Cruise Around the World with Soggy Paws
  • Boat Type: CSY 44 WT
  • Boat Name: Soggy Paws
Re: CSY 44 WO New Mast Needed
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2015, 09:58:17 am »
OK, I went through the CSY Dropbox and all the Chainplate files I have, and put them all in one place and made a zip file of it, so it's easy for you to download to look at, and also to send to someone you are trying to get a quote out of.  It's 4MB, not too huge.

http://svsoggypaws.com/files/CSY_WO_Rigging.zip

One big caution--most of the original rigging files are dated 1976, but there is a newer one dated 1978, and they made CSY's through 1981. I don't have the info on Marie Galant, so not sure how old your boat is, and whether they deviated at all from the original 1976 drawings.

This is also specifically (I think) only the Short Rig drawings.  I haven't spent a lot of time looking at this, but it should be better than nothing.  (I do have some Tall Rig drawings, but did not include them to reduce confusion).

As for chainplates, and maybe the tangs and toggles, there are now about 4-5 designs--the original interior chainplates (designed to be made out of 304 stainless), and some internal and external designs for 316 stainless (316 rusts less).  These are custom and can be fabricated in Venezuela if you can get the Stainless Steel stock and find a good machine shop.  In the Beaujolais writeup, he gives the pricing and contact info for Rick Heim in St. Pete, who did our Chainplates.  Warren's dad (Warren is on this forum) did our toggles and tangs--I don't know if Warren's dad is still doing machine work...

The actual rigging and connectors are off-the-shelf and any rigging supplier should be able to quote that.  The specs for the rigging wire (lengths and sizes) are in the Spar Drawing.

Some of the files in the zip file are TIFF files.  If you can't open them--my (free) photo program is Fast Stone Image Viewer, and it opens these fine.  Since some are hard to read, I didn't want to convert to JPG because you might lose more detail.

http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDownload.htm 

Some of the files are DWG files, these are Autocad files.  You can find a free viewer here:

http://www.autodesk.com/products/dwg/viewers

Any good machine shop should have a program to use these drawing files.

My husband Dave is busy with other things right now, so if anyone has any advice or recommendations relative to any of this, please jump in here and give Marco a hand.

Anybody seen any USED CSY 44 masts for sale?

Sherry
Soggy Paws the CSY has been sold but not forgotten!
http://svsoggypaws.com/CSY/

Soggy Geek

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 552
    • View Profile
    • Cruise Around the World with Soggy Paws
  • Boat Type: CSY 44 WT
  • Boat Name: Soggy Paws
Re: CSY 44 WO New Mast Needed
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2015, 10:04:29 am »
Marco,

One more thought--if the quotes for "all new rigging" come back too crazy, here's a wild idea--buy another semi-derilict CSY 44 in the Caribbean for cheap, and take the best off both boats and scrap/sell for parts the rest.  Unfortunately, you just missed the one selling for $17K

Here's the current CSY Boats for Sail list from Yachtworld.

There are a couple of boats there for under $50K  I believe the WT in Ft. Lauderdale is Steve Silverman's old boat--it's a tall mast walkthru.  Maybe Dag can comment on the condition of that rig (Who knows--they may be desperate enough to consider just selling the rig?)

Anyway, good luck.  Hope some of this helps!

Sherry
Soggy Paws the CSY has been sold but not forgotten!
http://svsoggypaws.com/CSY/

Soggy Geek

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 552
    • View Profile
    • Cruise Around the World with Soggy Paws
  • Boat Type: CSY 44 WT
  • Boat Name: Soggy Paws
Re: CSY 44 WO New Mast Needed
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2015, 10:25:20 am »
One more blast from the old CSY Topical List... I used this Google Search to find all discussions containing the word "mast" (just paste this phrase in to a Google Search box)

Quote
mast site:http://lists.topica.com/lists/csy/

Below was in response to a post asking if chainplates really needed to be replaced:

Quote
I have first hand experience of chainplates failing on a CSY 44 "Jessica Ann" that works as a charter boat out of playa hermosa, costa rica for villas del sol.

Apparently the boat was out for afternoon sail with the owner and friends,the wind was blowing offshore about 15 knots when out of the blue the wind increased to 30 to 40 knots.  As far as i can tell they were caught with their genoa up and a full main...long story short the starboard chainplate ripped in half and the mast came down.

i was hired to repair the mast.  Upon inspection of the chainplates, it looked like they were built out of inferior materials and had substantial rust.  i replaced them with 1/4 316 stainless steel using the same design as the originals, and used sikaflex to seal them up at the exit point on the deck.

I had to cut two feet out of the mast in order to get to clean halves, had a sleeve made for the mast and installed the sleeve with machine screws.

I built new rigging and cut the sails to fit the new configuration.

I did this in 2004 or 05.  As far as i know the boat is working every day.

If anyone is interested in photos just google villas del sol, playa hermosa costa rica there should be a few photos of that boat.

So another option, IF you managed to salvage the mast, would be to piece it back together.

Sherry
Soggy Paws the CSY has been sold but not forgotten!
http://svsoggypaws.com/CSY/

mbramanti

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 3
    • View Profile
  • Boat Type: CSY 44 WO
  • Boat Name: Marie Galante
Re: CSY 44 WO New Mast Needed
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2015, 05:07:47 pm »
Sherry thanks a lot for those tons of information, I think with that I can manage to investigate for all the options available

I let you know If I can make the chainplates here in Venezuela, and regarding on the mast I'll wait the providers to offer me

Regards

Marco