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Hull and Rig / Re: Nett Weight
« on: June 02, 2018, 11:47:13 PM »
Hi Lindsay, welcome to the group!
Is your boat the one formerly named Beaujolais with Hull Number TXY441861079  (Walkover #186 made in Oct 1979)?
Just trying to keep the owner database straight.

Swap Meet / CSY 44 WO "Nesta" for Sale in Trinidad
« on: May 22, 2018, 02:24:19 AM »
We've been contacted by the current owners of this CSY for help in getting the word out that their nicely-upgraded CSY 44 is for sale in Trinidad.  Though we haven't seen the boat, we've seen the list of upgrade and it looks like they've done a quality job.  She's currently priced to sell at $85K USD.  The boat is currently listed with a broker, but I think that listing is about to expire.

If you want to contact the owner directly, email Joe at or call him at 613-354-4320

Trinidad is a great place to start a Caribbean cruise.  It is one of our favorite places in the Caribbean, and from there it's easy to sail on a beam reach to all the other Windward and Leeward Island destinations, or downwind towards the Dutch ABC's, Colombia, and Panama.


General Discussion / Re: SEARCH OF "MY" ORIGINS
« on: March 24, 2018, 08:39:49 PM »
TXY 44 078 0178 

Yes, this is the normal CSY 44 numbering system.  Your boat is #78 of the Walkover model, and the 0178 means the hull layup was started in January 1978.  (What was in my database, source unknown, was 01/77, but I have updated it).

So, will you keep the name Doudou, or change it?  Does it have the original engine? (My info says Westerbeke)  Full keel or shoal keel?  (Full = 6-7 ft draft, Shoal = 4.5-5.5 ft draft).


Swap Meet / Re: 44 WO in Coconut Grove, Fl. now on ebay
« on: March 24, 2018, 09:24:39 AM »
Thanks for posting, Doug.  We have terrible internet here, I can't get the pics to paint full screen.  Is there a boat name visible in the pics?  The only one I know of in the Miami area is Chilly Pepper, but that boat is in good enough condition that they shouldn't be selling for such a low price (and I think we'd have heard from them directly if they were selling).

Anyone looking, CSY's are great boats.  Very rugged and not bad sailing boats.  Designed for Caribbean conditions, by someone who knew cruising (vs today's modern boats where they are selling glitz for the marina set, not real cruising boats).

However, a boat offered at $55K has got to be a distress sale.  Meaning low prior maintenance.  If you are a handy person, this might be a good deal.  But if not, it will be a nightmare project.

General Discussion / Re: SEARCH OF "MY" ORIGINS
« on: March 24, 2018, 08:58:35 AM »
How do you know it doesn't have a real CSY hull number?  Have you checked the stern?  I think the hull number is supposed to be engraved on the right side of the stern.  If the boat has been painted (likely, since it is so old), the hull number that is normally engraved on the stern (in 1.25 cm height, approximately), may not be visible.

It may be possible to deduce what hull number it is... pull the drawers out and look to see if there is a number written in magic marker on the bottom of the drawers.

If the boat was contracted new from the factory by a Dutch or French owner, it may well have been commissioned with the hull number / format required by France or the Netherlands.  But I would bet that the drawers might tell what hull number (in CSY terms) it is.

I hope you have an easy time of restoring her.  The CSY is a GREAT world cruising boat.  Still missing our CSY 44 WT (a little bit...catamarans rock too, if you can afford them).


General Discussion / Re: SEARCH OF "MY" ORIGINS
« on: March 24, 2018, 03:02:53 AM »
Hi Stephane, I have an entry for DouDou in the database, but it's not complete--no hull number though it says it was made in 1977.  Here's what I have:  (FS = For Sale)

FS 01/2011 $139K - YW#526986
FS 11/2009 $139K - •YW# 1398-526986
10-01 FS 10/02 $180K
99 FS$105-110K

Was damaged in storm in '97 but restored.
Owned since new.

The only owner contact info I have seems to be a broker in St. Maarten.

Hope this helps.


General Discussion / Re: Hello from a new member
« on: February 10, 2018, 09:57:54 PM »
Welcome to the forum!
So, did you close on your boat?  Give us an update... boat name (original and new, if you're planning on changing it), and where located.

Swap Meet / Perkins 4-154 Jabsco/Sherwood Raw Water Pump Hat Style Pulley
« on: December 19, 2017, 12:45:54 AM »
Skip Gundlach posted this on his facebook page.  Not sure if this is a useful bit on the CSY Perkins' (and Dave's not here right now to ask).  Thought I'd pass it on, in case anyone is desperate for something like this.

Vero Beach Free to good home Perkins 4-154 Jabsco/Sherwood Raw Water
Pump Hat Style Pulley

Essentially similar (and this may be the specific part) to this cast iron pulley.

However, before you get all excited:

This pulley had been wobbled-out in a previous life. A friend with a machine shop at his disposal sleeved it for me 12 years ago.

However, it has again wobbled out. Likely the best way to deal with it would be to replace the center, though it could possibly be sleeved again.

Consultation with a machine shop revealed that it was eminently do-able, but would cost a significant portion of the new ones
available, machined from a single billet of aluminum.

Thus, not for me (and I've bought one of those machined jobs) but quite possibly for one of you who has access to the material and machinery to bring it back to useful life.

Free to good home in Vero Beach while we're here (we're looking for a weather window to go to the Bahamas), or wherever else we may be later.

It's such a rare item that I'll not toss it, but it's too heavy to ship cheaply, as well as, frankly, I don't want to mess with it :)

Please, no PMs, nor responding-to-thread.

If you want it, email me.

First come, first served, of course...

General Discussion / Re: Gross tonnage /net tonnage
« on: December 10, 2017, 07:09:21 PM »
Also, there was another boat dismasted in Venezuela, not sure if same boat, may be different boat...  But a long thread here on mast and rigging information for a CSY.

Good luck!

General Discussion / Re: Gross tonnage /net tonnage
« on: December 10, 2017, 06:59:19 PM »
Also, a former owner of El Sabor was registered here under the username xpfenech.  Looking through his posts might be useful for you.;area=showposts;u=677

According to the discussions, the boat was dismasted and for sale in Bonaire or Cartagena.  Is this the boat you bought?  Are you going to rename it?  (if so, to what?)

If the number you have is NOT from the back of the boat, then I would suggest that your proper hull number is more likely TXY440160477 (ie, 44 insted of 444).

If you got it for $25K, could be a great deal, if you're handy!


General Discussion / Re: Gross tonnage /net tonnage
« on: December 10, 2017, 06:44:26 PM »

Here is a long thread on CSY Hull numbers:

Read through it and you will learn a lot about identifying the hull number of your boat.

Based on that number, I believe your boat must be Hull # 16.  I have El Sabor in my database, but with no hull number information, and not much else than it was for sale in Bonaire in 2008. 

Though there was some inconsistencies in the hull numbering system by CSY over the years, the last 4 digits have always been MMYY, representing the month and year that the hull was STARTED.  So that zero in 160 is actually part of 04 (April) of 1977.

That would make your hull number 16.  You can try to confirm this by pulling out some drawers and seeing if there is a number written on the bottom of the drawers.  When CSY was in full production, all the drawers were marked with the number of the hull they were intended for.  However, if yours is #16, then they may not have been in full swing yet.

Hope this helps.


General Discussion / Re: Gross tonnage /net tonnage
« on: December 09, 2017, 07:14:58 PM »
Hi Edward, welcome to the group!

Our CSY 44 Walkthrough was 23 Gross 20 Net.  I don't know if there was a difference between the WT and WO's.

The carpenter's certificate from the factory that we have (not for our boat) has the dimensions as 44ft 4 inches.  13ft 4in breadth and 8ft 6in depth (NOT DRAFT, BUT INTERNAL height).  This is what is used to compute the gross and net tons.

Pick a number and run with it!


Hull and Rig / Re: Stay sail traveler parts
« on: November 13, 2017, 04:42:46 PM »
Hi Mike,

I would take a picture of what you are trying to replace (assuming someone here doesn't pop up with one from their garage), and email it to the used marine hardware places (salvage yards) (with some rough dimensions).  We have a partial list here:

A photo here might also get better results, as I can't quite picture what you're looking for. 

I did do a quick search on eBay but didn't come up with anything.  Is it possible that a stop from another manufacturer might fit?


Hull and Rig / Re: Shoal vs Deep Draft
« on: November 06, 2017, 10:19:35 AM »
To put the final response on this.  Since we left Florida in 2007, we cruised almost 40,000 miles across the Pacific in all kinds of weather and sailing conditions.  We were fortunate in choosing our weather conditions (thanks to modern forecasting and modern communications technology), and never had to sail in over 40 knots, and then only for a few hours.  We NEVER felt unsafe in our shoal draft / tall mast CSY 44.

We sold Soggy Paws in 2016, and she was subsequently sailed from the Philippines to Western Australia, where she now resides.

If you plan to cruise in areas where draft is an issue (inland river waters, Bahamas, etc), you really should consider the shoal draft.  If you plan to cruise in areas where draft is not an issue, and heavy weather is normal, the full keel might be a better choice.

Here is a video taken of a CSY 44 Walkthrough (formerly Tackless II, now Kenebec), shoal draft, tall mast, under sail in winds gusting to 40 knots.


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