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Swap Meet / CSY 44 W/O "Surprise" For Sale
« on: July 28, 2020, 06:23:14 am »
I've decided to sell my CSY 44 w/o "Surprise".  She is currently located in Deltaville VA but should be moving south in late September or October.  At the time of this post she is in the water but due to be hauled out for an insurance survey and I'll likely leave her out of the water until bottom painted and spashed in the fall. She is currently not listed with a broker.  The asking price is $84,500.

I purchased her about 5 years ago and have done extensive repairs and improvements so much of the gear is new.  I've taken her to the Bahamas twice in that time and when I moved her to Deltaville in May 2020 everything was working.

I foolishly obtained a dog last year and I need to find a more dog-friendly boat.  I'm getting too old to be lifting a 60lb dog on and off  >:(.

Solent rig with two jibs on roller furling and a hank on staysail (working jib 3 yrs old)
Roller furling main (brand new North main)
Perkins 4236 diesel with about 4,000 hrs
Simrad chart plotter, radar, autopilot and VHF w/AIS
Adler Barbour refrigeration
Webasto AC in forward cabin
Manson spade anchor with Lofrans windlass and 200' chain
Dingy davits
400W Solar
Dodger, bimini and cockpit enclosure
9' Caribe dinghy

There are way too many other things to list in this post but if there are any questions please let me know.  You can contact me by replying to this post or via email at svsurprise44 at

General Discussion / Re: Refit almost complete
« on: July 20, 2020, 04:15:18 pm »
Congratulations, she looks great!  I admire your perseverance.

If you decide to head down to the Caribbean and find yourself in need of a full boat sun cover in the original burgundy color give me a shout.  They appear to be in very good condition.  I have a few of the SS support poles as well but I've never put it up and really don't know if all the pieces and parts are there.  They are in storage in NC.

General Discussion / Re: Insurance
« on: April 02, 2020, 06:56:54 am »
I obtained my insurance from Wade Dunbar Ins Agency in Oriental NC and the policy is underwritten by Maritime Program Group (or at least that's where the checks go).  My policy is about $1300/yr on $90K valuation of the boat.  This covers me for the east coast and Bahamas with limitations on how far south I can go during hurricane season.  I've had one small claim due to a lightening strike on a neighboring boat and they covered it with no problems.

I hope this helps,

Hull and Rig / Re: Running Rigging
« on: May 30, 2019, 09:02:34 pm »
I'll take a stab on this.  My 44 W/o has:

110' 1/2" main sheet (same 3 blocks as yours)  Probably just New England Sta-Set

75" 5/8" jib sheets.  Again, Sta-Set

110' 1/2" or 7/16" jib halyards (roller furling).  I am downsizing on the 7/16" beause of an added inner fuller with a smaller halyard block.  The primary jib furler is 1/2".  I use Sta-set X lower stretch for these.

My main is also roller furling but is wire and hasn't needed replacement.  I would imagine 100' would be more than adequate.  If I replaced it I would also go low stretch.

I hope this helps. 

Systems / Re: Cleaning water tanks
« on: May 28, 2019, 07:24:28 pm »
By your description it sounds like the tanks on the 37 and the 44 are different.  I did not have a problem with any adjoining plywood.  The square panels on my boat were caulked with silicon so they were easy to pull up after using a chisel to get it started.

Good luck,

Hull and Rig / Re: Installing New Life Lines
« on: May 16, 2019, 01:30:33 pm »
Last summer I took the easy way out and removed them and shipped them off to a rigger in Florida I found online (  I only did the top lifelines in plastic coated SS wire, identical to the originals.  The cost was around $500 including shipping but included using the old turnbuckles and gate hardware which were in good shape.  I was very pleased with his quality. Since the bottom lifelines are smaller diameter I would imagine they would be slightly less expensive.

Dyneema is another good way to go and apparently is not difficult to splice.  I have a friend who did it himself and after five years they still looked pretty good.

Interior / Re: Air conditioner for 44 W/O main cabin
« on: February 19, 2019, 03:04:51 pm »
That would certainly work but my bow thruster installation prevented that.  Remember that the air intake can be a bit noisy if you sleep up there. One way to quiet the intake fan is to run it via a duct, the longer the quieter.  Not that this is always a viable method in a boat but I learned it the hard way in one of my houses.

Interior / Re: Air conditioner for 44 W/O main cabin
« on: February 10, 2019, 10:59:04 am »
Congratulations on your purchase.  On Surprise, the main shower had been turned into a large closet so I installed the AC reverse cycle unit (one part) on the floor of the closet.  It made running the duct work easy and the condensate drain just went down the old shower drain.  Not inferring this is the best way, just the way I did it.

Good luck, Don

General Discussion / Re: Atlantic Towers Arch
« on: November 09, 2018, 07:36:30 am »
Beautiful arch!  I'm located in Beaufort NC but leaving Sunday for the Bahamas and plan on making a last provisioning stop in Ft Pierce. If time permits I'll contact you while there.

Systems / Re: Cleaning water tanks
« on: November 06, 2018, 07:03:47 am »
In a haste to get the boat ready for the trip south I answered my own question.  After removing the inspection port I poured in a large quantity of bleach (1/8 cup to 10 gals), filled both tanks with water, and let them soak for two+ hours.  I also opened all the faucets and ran them until I could detect the smell of chlorine.  I then scrubbed the small amount of algae and bio slime off with a deck brush.  The brush gave me access equivalent to what the pressure washer would have provided, maybe a bit more.  The system was drained and all the sediment in the bottom of the tanks was vacuumed out. The system was then flushed with copious amounts of fresh water, all the filters were replaced, and the inspection ports replaced. 

Heading to the Bahamas this weekend.  I hope to see some of you there.

SV Surprise

Systems / Cleaning water tanks
« on: November 02, 2018, 08:34:37 pm »
Has anyone with a 44 w/o cleaned out their water tanks and if so, how did you do it?  The inspection ports are fairly easy to remove but I'm not sure if a pressure washer wand will get in there or whether a brush is a better method.  At this point I don't know what the condition of the tanks is but having a bad experience with fouled tanks on another boat many years ago has me thinking about cleaning them out before heading south next week.

Many thanks in advance for any input.

General Discussion / Re: Atlantic Towers Arch
« on: September 21, 2018, 01:19:34 pm »
Whoops, sorry for posting that in the wrong location.... :-\

General Discussion / Atlantic Towers Arch
« on: September 21, 2018, 01:18:24 pm »
I've read the previous posts about experiences with Atlantic Towers arches and have noted that quite a number of 44 WO's have installed one.  Since a few years have gone by since the last post I thought I might ask for any current advice on purchasing and installing one.  Three preliminary questions I have are: Schedule 40 or 80? Mount on deck or side?  Offset legs?

It seems to me these boats just scream for an arch and I'd really like to upgrade the davits I'm currently using.  With a swim platform it's difficult to get the dinghy out and away while hoisting.  I hope to stiffen up the solar panel mounting configuration too.

Any advice is welcome.

Thanks in advance,
SV Surprise

Engines and Drive Train / Re: Exhaust Elbow - 4107 Westerbeke
« on: August 25, 2018, 05:20:32 pm »
Peter, My aluminum elbow was also showing a slight leak so I had a machinist in Beaufort NC make up a stainless exhaust elbow for my 4236.  I think it was about $200 which was much cheaper than the other options I found.

Hull and Rig / Re: External Round Chainplates Design
« on: December 25, 2017, 08:34:47 am »
Good Morning and Merry Christmas,
A simple question for those who have undertaken the job of upgrading their chainplates.  Is it possible to remove the original chainplates without removing the rub rail?  Are the bolt heads captive or should I expect them to rotate while removing the nuts from inside the hull.

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